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 signs or coincidence?, random chance or the hands of the unseen? (7 Replies, Read 570 times)
spaceghost
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i know this is may be very hard for some people to believe, but i would like to start a topic. :/

note: when you see the word 'sign' i am not associating it with a concrete spiritual event, but just an event that happened. at this stage i am not stating that a sign has any spiritual significance. at this stage the word "sign" is equated to the possibility of an outside intervention - but i have no evidence to state so, and therefore will not equate it to one.

all i am doing is throwing up some personal experiences for open discussion, as i find the psychological reasons for events happening quite fascinating.

in the last year or so, i have been doing some reading in relation to what signs, synchronicity, meaningful coincidaences and random chance mean. what equates to what and how one can go about measuring - if one can- the statistical possibility of certain events occurring in relation to questions asked as a validation that events will take place in the future, or one is on the right track etc.
so, i began to ask signs in regards to a certain question. in this instance i was asking to see 'signs ' as validation for a certain event i wanted to occur would take place in the future.

if you were to ask me how much i believed the chances of what i asked to occur would occur, i would say 'zero chance', because every single piece of information i have at hand indicates this.

however, if the sign/s occurred then i would take it as a nod that the event would come to fruition.

except i did not stop at one, i asked for 20. and i did not ask for signs just through myself- i asked people who believed in signs, and those who did not, to ask to see a sign on my behalf.
what i asked to see as 'signs' were everything from the mundane to the ridiculous.each time i tried to think of something that i had not seen/heard of in years.

anything that was seen to be a sign had to abide by a number of criteria stipulated below. The rules that governed a sign being a sign were:

rule 1 it had to be sign specific the sign must be exactly what had been asked for and not genralised into an overall category.
eg: if I asked to see a gum tree seedling, it must have been a gum tree seedling and not any other type of seedling. it had to be sign specific.

rule 2.  be seen, read or heard as sign specific
eg: if i asked to see a pink elephant, then i could either see a pink elephant , read the words "pink elephant" or hear the words "pink elephant".

rule 3.  must be shown in the time frame given- 1 to 7 days
eg: if i asked to see the sign in 3 days from the date that the sign was asked to be seen, then it would not be considered a sign unless it happened before or on the due date. if it was seen on the 4th day, it would be discounted.

rule 4.  a number of signs had to be asked/ viewed by people other then myself   people who classed themselves as "believers" and "skeptics" were asked to see signs on my behalf. on a side note i was convinced that the skeptics would see nothing - i was to be proved wrong.

during this period, i recorded down everything that happened. i will post what occurred in a little while as my typing arms have had it.

in the mean time, i would be curious to know what people think of the signs? do you believe in them? have you experienced anything in relation to them? or did you just order a pizza and accidently clicked on to the wrong link at it brought you here? if so, why do you think you are here?

sign or coincidence?








Edited by spaceghost : January 15, 2010, 10:40 am
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Thanks for bringing up this topic spaceghost - so interesting. They say the "signposts" are always there for us - we just have to recognise them.

I'd just like to add my story in relation to birds - are they messengers ? They say that birds are the closest things to angels that we have, and with "angel" meaning messenger, who knows ? (sorry if this sounds a bit too metaphysical - I try not to be ...lol)

Anyway - here is one of my stories ....

My father passed away suddenly at the age of 41. A valve burst to his heart - instant death. He had been to the doctor 1/2 an hour before his death.
A week before he passed, he was looking out of the back door, and two doves were flying ... straight for the door which he was standing behind !!! One dove flew staright into the door and fell down dead - the other flew off.

My mother went on to remarry, and after about the same time as she had been married to my father, this man slipped into unconciousness and passed from a brain haemorrhage. Just before he died, there was a small bird hanging around on the ground near the cars in our drive. He seemed to be dwelling on the ground, but would scamper off into the bushes if anyone got near. One day, my step-father was able to get near him to pick him up, and took him into the backyard out of harms way. He gave it some shelter and water and something he thought it might eat, but the bird only survived for a day or so.
My stepfather had been hospitalised two weeks before he passed and had every test imaginable, after suffering severe headaches. He was released with a supposed clean bill of health. After slipping into unconciousness, he officially passed 15 hours later.

Our best friend Sam - our Jack Russell terrier who had been with our family for 14 1/2 years, had to be euthanised in July of this year. (Basically, there was little that could be done - his heart was failing and it was only a matter of weeks or days) He suddenly became very ill, although he had probably had this condition for a few years, and with his arthritis and his vision beginning to fail, we thought this was the kindest thing we could do for him. Just before this, my Mum noticed a little bird which had hopped onto a front verandah, and was causing a lot of racket with his chirps. We all watched through the screen door (including Sam), and then he hopped away into some bushes to the side of the house. We didn't think much of it, but the next morning as I walked to my car in the drive to go to work, the same litttle bird lie dead next to my car.

I'd like to point out though, that we have found other dead birds on our property, and nothing has happened.
It seems that when the birds have drawn our attention before they pass, is when their is a "sign". Coincidence - I don't know ?

(My Auntie did tell me recently though, that after this happened to my father (he passed in 1977 when I was 10) he had told her the story and asked her "What do you think it means ?")

Edited by StarBright : January 25, 2010, 1:16 am

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Did you just start another topic Spaceghost??? That is hard to believe  :P

Actually this is a great thread and one that interests me greatly.  I will be really interested in your follow-up to that experiment you did.

Is there any such thing as coincidence or synchronicity?  Or are we more attentive to signs when there are moments in our lives we need direction?  Do we put events together to mean something, just our brains making patterns out of chaos much like it does with visual pareidolia?  Or do we cause these things to happen ourselves... putting ourselves in the right time, right place to observe these coincidences?  Lots of interesting ideas out there.

Because I am a visual person so am supposing a lot of other people are too, I looked at youtube to try and find a couple of videos one for each thought.  Sadly my googling skills failed me on the rational argument side for our brains being the cause, but I did find this one that interested me, especially with this guys background.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VkuqDABTMo

and who this person is:

http://theresonanceproject.org/personnel.html

I would also like to address the bird topic as I have had interesting experiences there too... but for now I am off for another coffee lol.


Edited by Alison : January 25, 2010, 7:16 pm

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*StarBright stands by to hear spaceghost's results, and Alison's bird story ...*

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LOL!!!!  Yes I will give Spaceghost a turn first before I talk about my birds.


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oh, folks, sorry.

i found myself traveling on different roads of thought, went exploring down a number of thought alleyways and completely forgot about this posting. :/

will post something up tonight or tomorrow.

if you could see my FB wall you would know. i am having quite a few simultaneous indepth conversations, plus debating with two skeptics how would they explain certain extrodinary data in research findings. i like a debate where you can play word tennis with others and i feel as if i am in the grand slam at the moment. :D

will post very soon.
once again i apologise for making you wait.

spacey

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Did you just start another topic Spaceghost??? That is hard to believe  :P


i know! i'm so reserved in such matters.




Edited by spaceghost : January 26, 2010, 7:59 am
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Thinking on the topic of "signs and coincidences" there is a book called "The Celestine Prophecy" by James Redfield that deals with this subject. Written more like an adventure story, but is good for some light reading if you happen to come across it. I read it a fews years back and found it quite hard to put down at the time.

http://www.amazon.com/Celestine-Prophecy-James-Redfield/dp/0446671002/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1264730553&sr=1-1

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